Debate: Mystery Method VS Speed Seduction
Erik Carlberg (Ablaze) took on Ross Jeffries (Speed Seduction), Markus Wolf and Michael Lee in a debate over sexual escalation, Mystery’s 7 hour rule and getting laid quickly.
Mystery Method VS Speed Seduction
Ice White hosted an interesting debate between Mystery’s wingman, Erik Carlberg (Ablaze) and Ross Jeffries, with Markus Wolf and Michael Lee supporting the side of Ross Jeffries.
The debate is the 5th in the series, following several interesting debates between notable figures in the pickup artist, social circle and red pill space:
- Markus Wolf VS Michael Sartain
- Hamza Hitch VS Michael Sartain
- Pearl Davis VS Ross Jeffries
- Ross Jeffries VS Mystery
The Case For The Mystery Method: Erik Carlberg (Ablaze)
- Pulling Women: It is better to pull women within 4-10 hours, with the average being 7
- 7 Hour Rule: Seduction is best when you have spent a few hours together over several locations
- Women Aren’t That Sexual: Most women are not down for sex in less than 45 minutes
- Fun Escalation: The fun of the game is in the process of gaming her
- Second Date: The majority of sex happens between the second date and the fourth date
- Natural Sexual Escalation: Sexual escalation appears to ‘just happen’ naturally
- Message Game: Slow escalation is possible for message game, but is less effective unless focused on logistics
The Case For Speed Seduction: Ross Jeffries, Markus Wolf & Michael Lee
- Pulling Women: It is better to pull women quickly, often in 2 hours or less
- Speed Seduction: Seduction is best when done with speed
- Women Are Sexual: Most women are down for sex in less than 45 minutes if you have the right skills to seduce her
- Fun Escalation: It’s okay to have fun in the process of gaming her, but there is also fun in having sex with her by pulling her quickly
- First Date: You should be having sex with women normally on the first date
- Purposeful Sexual Escalation: Sexual escalation is done through a lot of leading by the man
- Message Game: Fast escalation is needed for message game in order to move her off social media and dating apps and onto a date effectively
Who Won?
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